S5E20: The Ghost Points, the Goddess, and the Great Unhooking with Kate Hemingway

Kate Hemingway is not your average acupuncturist. She’s an energetic catalyst for deep soul liberation. In this episode, we dive into the magic of the Ghost Points - 13 powerful acupressure portals originally used for "de-possession," now reclaimed as a pathway to remember who you truly are.

We talk ritual, revolution, and the radical reclamation of your gifts. Kate shares her journey from Reiki and ayahuasca to guided energetic acupressure, how these mysterious points can clear layers of conditioning and awaken your divine gifts, and why your “tiny” vision might just be a portal to something world-changing.

We get into:

• What the Ghost Points actually are (and why you probably haven’t heard of them)
• Why healing doesn’t have to be about “fixing” — but about remembering
• The wild transformations Kate’s clients experience (yes, penthouse upgrades included)
• How these ancient points help visionary women rise into their truth, visibility, and power
• Why magic, music, and ritual belong in your biz journey

Kate also leads us through a guided journey using one of the Ghost Points (yep, you’ll wanna lie down for this one if you can, definitely not listening whilst trying to drive!).

Connect with Kate: IG: @katehemingwayheal
Website: www.katehemingwayheal.com

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TRANSCRIPT - S5E20: The Ghost Points, the Goddess, and the Great Unhooking with Kate Hemingway

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My supervisor felt that way about it. So she taught them to me and I had this like special opportunity to do the points and I watched this woman's life turn around,

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Hello everybody. Welcome. Welcome to the podcast. I have Kate Hemingway, Wade with me today, and I'm so excited for this conversation because I'm already a fan of acupuncture, but Kate has a whole new level of acupuncture to share with us. So hello Kate. How are you? I'm great. How are you doing? So good. So good.

We were, we've been trying to book this in for a little while, so I'm just, I always trust the timing. So we are here having this conversation right on this cusp of all of the plenary magic happening. For those who don't already know about you and your work, how would you like to introduce yourself today?

Yeah, absolutely. So I often will call myself a spiritual mentor, a spiritual business mentor as well. I [00:04:00] really started to claim that a lot of what I give is like psychic business downloads. I like to really connect with visionaries and feel into their higher self and just. Explode their vision.

And through that work I use guided acupressure. I'm a licensed acupuncturist. But a lot of times I work over a distance and so I do it in this really magical, guided, acupressure way and it just unlocks so much even on the subconscious level. I was so excited for this con, I don't know whether I mentioned to you in our two previous chats, very brief chats, but I.

My original career as a geneticist and forensic biologist, and then ended up in like medical science and was deeply unimpressed with the way that medical science in, western cultures pulls us all apart, doesn't look at the whole individual, doesn't look at root cause, doesn't look at imbalances of energy, whatever.

And so I then found traditional Chinese medicine and like deep dived into it and did like hands-on shiatsu body work for many [00:05:00] years. And so I am like. I've always had a love of, yeah, acupuncture in general, the whole Eastern philosophies, et cetera. So how do you wanna introduce us to these ghost points?

'cause I had not heard of them before, so Yes. Juicy. I know so many people haven't heard of them. And that's part of my mission is I want everyone to know about these points. So it's a collection of 13 points on the body and actually the points themselves can be used in other contexts. If you see an acupuncturist, you may have had one of these points done before.

But not necessarily with the intention of being a ghost point, right? So when you use them in that context altogether as these 13 points they're really used for originally depo possession, right? They were recorded by Sun Mao in the sixth century. So very old, but even older really. 'cause ow, super brilliant physician, really incredible person.

But [00:06:00] he was recording them, maybe reorganizing them, adding his own medicine to them. But they were around since mythological times. Really. We don't know when they first came about. But a lot of medicine back then was about depo possession, right? It was this idea that like. When you think about early, early acupuncture, it's really just shamanism.

It's like this idea of communing with the spirit world, right? So now the way I like to talk about it and look at it is it's actually detangling you from everything that isn't true to your most core essential nature. So these points can do everything from treat severe mental health issues and crisises, right?

People really struggling with even hallucinations, OCD bipolar, all the way to anything else, anxiety, depression, whatever. But not even just problems necessarily, right? Quote unquote, but also just what we internalize [00:07:00] from society, the limiting beliefs that we internalize, the things that we believe about ourselves that aren't actually true.

It also helps detangle us from that so we can have this meeting with our true, essential, expansive nature. Oh, I love this. I have just I've just spoken to someone in a deep dive of deconditioning through human design, and I'm just I'm so down for this. Let's just clear off all the dirt on the windshield that is not our true essential nature, and therefore impacts our ability to step into our vision in business, but also to live in a, in a way that feels good and in alignment and flow.

And although alignment is so overused, it's like almost doesn't mean anything anymore, but that's a whole other kettle of fish. How did you, I'm curious how you, because obviously you've, it sounds like you've got already like a very intrinsic spiritual ability to receive downloads and, bring them down here for us to share.

So how did your journey to. Acupuncture [00:08:00] and then also to the ghost points unfold. What's the worst? Oh, yeah. It's such a story. I actually started learning reiki first, so I was learning energy healing. I was doing that. I had just quit drinking. I had some powerful experiences with ayahuasca.

I was like, called this was strongly, had dreams about this place and then found it. And I ended up doing ayahuasca and having this experience that totally changed my life and I quit drinking. And it was at that same retreat that somebody was doing reiki, they were doing energy healing. And so I just became obsessed.

I learned it many times over from different teachers. I just wanted to know everything. Then I learned acupuncture because I wanted to go deeper. I wanted to know more. I also was just being what I thought was logically minded. I was like, I need more certifications. That was part of it for me. I'm like, I just want, to be more legitimate.

Which I don't know if that was the, that wasn't really the right reason, but I'm glad I [00:09:00] went because once I was at school, I got this patient who needed the ghost points, so they don't actually teach the ghost points traditional, like at the school. So I got lucky and this patient really needed them.

My supervisor felt that way about it. So she taught them to me and I had this like special opportunity to do the points and I watched this woman's life turn around, from not being able to hold a job and having emotional highs and lows. Wow. That, we're really destabilizing to now. Like she has the, a job she loves, her partnership is going really well.

Should they bought a house. Like it's just so amazing. So that's how I got involved in the ghost points. 'cause it really just blew my mind and I realized like. I'm here for the spiritual growth. If this can, I'm not even just looking at this just for mental health. It's yes, that, but also like I saw this person awakened to who they are.

Yes. Like [00:10:00] we,

Kate Hemingway: we need, we all need this. And so I realized, I'm not really so much for helping with the shoulder pain. I'm more in this realm. And so that's how I got really into the ghost points. Yeah. That's so cool. 'cause as I'm hearing you, actually, there's two things I'm like, do you usually do things opposite to other people?

Because often people start with a certification in the logical blah, blah, and then they go, hang on a minute. There's this whole other spiritual energy world, but you did it the other way round, which I think is very cool. I did. It's like the knowing led you and then you grounded it with some, I guess like more formalized structure or however you wanna say that.

Why other ghost points not shared. What is it I like, they like, it's a secret screw code that we are not allowed to all know. Or what, why do you think that? That is such a good question. I don't actually know why they're not taught in schools. I think maybe part of that is just that it's not on the tests.

Like you're, you don't need to know that [00:11:00] for your board examinations or Yeah. Okay. Anything like that. And then I also believe maybe part of the reason they're not as popular is because they do require I'm discovering that they require some inner cultivation from the practitioner to become deeper and more effective.

Now that being said, like they were incredibly effective when I was a beginner, but they always say this in Chinese medicine, there's that that beginner's mind of just flowing with the Dao, that actually makes you one of the best practitioners. Yep. But then you start to learn and it's, it really is a deep process.

The ghost points are a, they were, they're, there's a lot of depth to them. So I think maybe that's part of the reason that not everybody's drawn to them or they're more focused on okay, what are some symptoms that we can like alleviate? And there's nothing wrong with that.

Kylie Patchett: Yes.

Kate Hemingway: But yeah, or [00:12:00] maybe they have it, they've written it off in their mind as being something that's for really obvious mental health issues.

Which it actually doesn't have to just be that. And that was the other thing I was called to like point out before, 'cause it sounds like there. Maybe the lens through which it's oh, I need the ghost points, is oh, there's this level of like crisis or like a big problem. Whereas you're actually right.

You seem like you're going well. Yeah. Yes. You could use 'em as that. And also they can be this gateway to your full potential. So how about we use 'em for that? Try that emphasize, right? Do we really feel like everything in our society right now is true to our essential nature? Yes. So there's so many visionaries right now because we want to birth something new.

And so it's, to me, it feels like it's time. It's time for us to be like, okay, what, where am I? Putting a cap on that? There doesn't actually need to be one. Yeah, absolutely. And just because we've normalized things doesn't mean that they're good. Let's just bring that [00:13:00] box right open right now. Yeah.

Yeah. When you, how did you discover, like in your own, have you always done these? Sorry, it's three different questions. Have you always done these not in person, or did you start in person and then translate them to like acupressure rather than acupuncture? You Yeah, I've done both.

Yeah. I did start in, per, especially, of course when I was at school, I was doing them in person with needles. And I, there's 13 points, but we would do them like a couple at a time. Usually people do them three at a time. Then when I got into my own practice, I started playing with it a little bit more.

I learned about there is a school that teaches the ghost points and certifies people in them.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Kate Hemingway: And I actually plan on going next time that they're open for enrollment. Yeah. But they and I learned that they don't use needles. And so I went to one of their students and I received a treatment.

Interesting. And the way they did it was so fascinating. It was like a seven hour experience of all 13 [00:14:00] points. Wow. She didn't use any needles. It was all acupressure and it was such a beautiful meeting with my soul. I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And so I've actually started offering it similar to that a little bit in my own way.

But I started doing mini retreats, so I made it a much more luxurious experience 'cause I was so hungry. I'm like seven, no snacks. So I've actually made it like a retreat at the Springs here in North Florida. And do I do that in person? And I do, I use needles for some of the points and not all of them.

And then. Online. I, at first it was an experiment and then I realized it really worked. And actually I can record an experience with the guided acupressure, tuning to the points. And that works too.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Kate Hemingway: So I created that as well, even created like a three hour ritual that you can watch and just experience it that way.

That's [00:15:00] so cool. And what what do you love the most about working? 'cause you used the word visionary before, which is I also use in a lot of who I'm calling in, like rebels, revolutionaries, ready to be leaders of change. Why do you love working with those types of people? I think I know the answer, but yes please answer that.

Why did, why does that draw you? Yeah. How could I not? I love it. I part of it is that I just get so lit up. Like I just get so excited. And all of this inspiration starts rushing through me when I'm talking to somebody like that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, what if we did this? What if we built that?

And it is just this energy to it, and it feels like a calling. And actually this came up during my ghost points treatment. Yeah. That's where I was talking about my nature, who I am, what's coming through me, and. And she was like, I get the sense that you're somebody who needs to make a difference in the world.

That's part of why you're here. And I [00:16:00] said, yeah, it is. And then I realized, I like sat with it a little bit more and I was like, you know what really lights me up though is knowing that everybody who's really here to make a difference, that I could help them do that. Yes. Like really feels like my calling.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hard relate, through a different modality in different work, but hard relate. I had a similar experience where I was like, yes, it's important for me to be expanding into my two, my full potential, but I actually wanna help all of the people that are here to change the world, rise up together.

'cause we can't do it by ourselves. And that I feel Yeah. We can't. So Cool. So when you start working with someone what's their kind of, I know this will probably be quite varied, but when they. Come to you? Are they at the on the cusp of they know that they're being called into something that's like a bigger evolution or they've got a whisper, but they're not ready or don't feel equipped or like [00:17:00] what?

What's the kind of entry point, I guess I wanna ask? Yeah, that's such a good question and I feel like it's been evolving and changing actually for me. Whereas at first I was really calling in people who were. Really struggling and actually like some people deal with entities that might be out of the lines for this podcast.

No. Not at all. We do Woo. Great. Some people deal with that kind of energy where they're having sleep paralysis and they're feeling even like physical things, touching them or holding them down at night. At first, those people were just finding me. It wasn't even like I was advertising that, but people were finding me and I was like, we can get rid of that.

Easy peasy. Yes. You don't even need all the ghost points I've learned. You just do some of 'em and that'll be gone for good. And so that was who I was helping at first. People were becoming more intuitive. And then I got some people who were really dealing with. P-T-S-D-I worked with a war veteran who yeah, I would say she was at that [00:18:00] point where she was like, I wanna grow, I wanna expand.

I know stuff from this past is holding me back. Then entrepreneurs started finding me. Visionary started finding me, and it started to expand in that way. So I think right now a lot of the people who are finding me, there's actually two, there's like some people who are feeling really stuck and feeling really uninspired, and they're like, I know that something needs to happen here.

Something needs to get to change. And then, but then most of the people finding me, they are like, I have a vision. It's exciting. I wanna put this out there, but I feel. Terrified. I feel like an imposter that, you know, and that stuff comes up really strong for them. And so that's what propels them into this work is they're like, I know there's something bigger than me trying to come through.

I don't want this like fear, this deep fear and shame to be getting in the way so much. Yeah. It's interesting. [00:19:00] Hey there's such a different, there's so many ways that we can approach, deconditioning or, clearing dirt on the windshield as I call it. But I'm wondering too, as you are working with the ghost points, like what are people what's the realizations that they come to about?

I almost wanna say let's use the word stories, not lies. 'cause I was gonna say the lies that they've been taught to believe about themselves. The stories let's say stories. What kind of like a realizations do these things start to unlock? Sorry, my AC turned on. So one thing that has happened is really common is actually just a feeling of like less charge with stuff that previously was like really hard for them, right?

It would, they'd have a reaction, they'd be triggered, right? So now that actually like lowers and they can see it with more clarity. So the real, a lot of the realizations happen around that, where they [00:20:00] realize, oh, the way I've been like holding myself in these dynamics in my life has been really fueled by this wounding.

And now I can just, now I see it clearly and I'm just in a totally different place with that 'cause I'm not feeling that same charge from it. Other times it's been, yeah, just realizing. I think a lot of it I almost wanna say it's yeah, we're letting go of all this stuff, but when I really tune into what do people move into afterwards?

A lot of it is realizing their celebration, like realizing their power, what feels really good about them. Like I think about one client where she had this incredible experience where she just followed her intuition and she actually did the recorded version of the Ghost Points. Yeah. And watched them, watched it, and did the acupressure on her own time.

And it ended up being like under the full moon eclipse. And she got this like surprise upgrade to a penthouse suite. So Cool. [00:21:00] And she just has this like really magnetic presence, like it, to reference human design briefly. Like she's a projector like me, I'm a projector also. So she has this magnetic presence and it just started to shine and she started to relax into it.

Now what will happen after the ghost points is everything that you, the seeds that you previously planted, still come to the surface. So she had this incredible meeting with herself, and I think that was the deep realization, oh, this is who I really am. And then it was like all these past relationships came back into her life.

Like all these things started coming hard at her. And she's what am I doing? And I'm like, no, this is part of the process. Exactly. You've got this. Yeah. Like you know who you are and you felt it. And you're never gonna forget. And I think that's the most powerful realization is oh wow.

I am a goddess. Like I am this beautiful divine being. That's the most powerful realization you can have. Yeah. So good. I always say, yeah, the dogs will start [00:22:00] barking. When you start unhooking the stories, the dogs start barking. It's just are you really, do you really own this? Do you really own this new way of living and relating and all of those things.

It's hard for a minute there. Yeah. Yeah. And it's that's the, I've learned in my own life that's when I used to almost expand and then woo, like contract, really. Oh, this is uncomfortable. And I've learned to just hold the pose to use one of my mentors terms.

It's yeah, just hold the pose and allow all those feelings to be there without, making it mean that you're not right or that it's not the right direction or whatever. When you start using the ghost points, is it something that, so some someone will come and have an experience with you, and then do they continue to use them?

Or is it just these points like unlock, ev release the flow or how does it, like how does it work? Most practitioners will just do it as one experience and then you do get the medicine and you can move on and do other things. But I think because of how accessible I've made it, and I [00:23:00] have all this information and guided experiences in relation to them, people who work with me have on their own continued to want to go deeper with them.

And I'm actually glad that they're doing that because I do see how the deeper you go with them the more their medicine becomes a part of your being. So there's this aspect of the points that does work, like a clearing, like okay, dirt off the windshield, like you said. Yeah. Yeah. Then there's this aspect in my experience of going deeper with the points, and it's almost like you start.

To know them, they start to become a part of you. Yeah. And that excites me because eventually I want to certify people. I wanna help them give this medicine. Yeah. Without needles. So any practitioner being able to use them and I think that's a really important part of the process is really doing them more than once and getting to know them on another level.

Yeah. And I would say even I at this point, [00:24:00] I would say confidently, maybe the first three points, I have a very deep relationship with them, but the deeper you go, the more deep the medicine gets. Yeah, that's what I was wondering. I'm like is this like a, 'cause I feel like it's a difference between, I have a client that uses this sort of language, it's like a once off miracle versus living in a field of miracles or normalizing that this goddess state is actually how you Yeah.

You live. It's not just this kind of like realization and meeting, but not. Deepening in that relationship or something. Not, I'm not finding the right words, but I understand what you're saying. I'm interested too, when you say working with people that have big visions, do they often realize that their like idea of their big vision was actually only like a teeny tiny version of the big vision and their mind gets blown outta the water?

Yeah, that happens for sure. I had two people do the ghost points with me who then, signed on [00:25:00] to work with me one-on-one in a longer term capacity. And both of them started out one of 'em was telling me, oh, I have this PDFI wanna offer people about their birth chart. It was just, okay, yeah, sure.

She wants to work with the people's birth charts. Now she's telling me this huge. Huge vision. I wanna change the face of entrepreneurship. I want it to feel completely different. I want the wealth to uplift communities. I wanna have the kind of impact on a town that feels like home that Dolly Parton had.

Like who? Yeah. So another woman. Yeah. First, first time I met her, she had her shoulders hunched like this, and she was like I wanna be a coach. And now she is, oh yeah, I wanna speak on stages. I wanna, I think I could win a Nobel Peace Prize one day. I wanna guide everyone back to self-love. I'm like, there it is.

It's, it is it sounds to me like the ghost points are doing the work for want of a better word, of anchoring in the truth [00:26:00] of who someone is, and then the dirt on the windshield becomes like a Yeah, that's just naturally that We just know that's not. Us kind of thing. So there's there's a first level of yeah, let's clear it off because it's there and and then, okay now what's possible without that?

In my field, it sounds very cool because, as you're talking, like I, I'm often talking to someone who I would call a revolutionary, and they're like, here's the paradigm that I'm inviting people to, and that similar to you. I'm like, and what about the, and like that, the bigness feels very tangible to me, but the answer is often or not.

But the an and the answer is often, but who am I to do that or what what makes me think that I can make that bigger difference? So it is all of those kind of, yes, I want that, but then, so yeah. A funny kind of dance, isn't it, that we do. I'm wondering, with your retreat days, can you tell me, tell us a little bit more about that.

And I know not all of our listeners are necessarily in the states, but I feel like [00:27:00] for those who are, that deep experience might feel very, tell me more about this, please. Yes, I love the retreat days and actually with people who work with me longer term, I do sometimes include that in the bigger ones because I'm like, we need to meet up yes.

And do it. But yeah, I so far it's, I'm doing it here in north Florida and there's these really healing springs. And so I do feel like the energy of the springs is kind of part of the flavor of this because it's just this clear water that literally just washes everything away, just reborn in these waters.

So I love having that energy around. But. Yeah. It really, it's like a seven hour experience of actually just touching the points. And I will be there, with the acupressure energetically connecting to the point, and then guiding journeys, but also talking like, also just [00:28:00] allowing what wants to come forward so that the heart can speak and be heard so that you can be witnessed.

And I haven't done this yet, I wanna start playing with it, but the practitioner I worked with uses a playlist of, thousands and thousands of songs. Yeah. And it was miraculous the music that would arise was it just exactly what was needed in that moment to help us connect to the truth that was coming forward.

Oh, so good. I just had a, literally had an experience with that this morning. I have a mastermind and we have inside of that experience, something we call sister circles where each person in the mastermind has a chance to come and bring their medicine and particularly if they're trying something like new or a different blend of modalities or a different format.

And this morning the the music, 'cause I was in charge of the music 'cause it was my Zoom room and the music was just so on key with what she was delivering. I was like, ah, the music, the [00:29:00] goddess microphone. I live with a constant ju box in my head as well. So literally anything, I think my brain finds a story to finds a song to play in the background.

So that makes so much sense to me. I'm just like, yeah. Music is one of those delivery systems, I always think it really is. And that's like the power of ritual. The power of like intention to, just, okay, we're in this space and we're open to these messages and then we have these channels for that to come through.

And I think that's actually why, even though the, so the recorded ritual I have of the ghost points as well, I've seen people take it in different directions and the people who, and which is very interesting on its own. Like, how did you approach this? I'm curious, I love, but the people who really had that intention with themselves, they're like, I'm ready for this.

And they just let go and let themselves be guided while at the same time really setting their space and being open it. I feel like that holds [00:30:00] a lot of power. Just being open to the idea of this is a ritual. Like I'm gonna treat this with care. I'm not gonna get on my phone, I'm not gonna.

Do something else. I'm here and I'm present and flowing with it. I love that I ritualize so many things. I actually was just recording something for a new program where it's a ritual of writing a sales page, but making it actually a ritual and writing a love note rather than writing a sales page.

Because I think for a lot of women in business, as soon as you say sales, it's one sort of energy and it's you could approach it like that, but you could also make this like sacred because your work is sacred. So why not treat it as revere it as sacred? And I think, yeah, the power of ritual, such a transformative way of living and making moments.

Matter, I feel like, or more tangible or more more of an experience rather than, yeah. I've noticed myself like skittering on the surface so often with the phone thing, I'm like, oh my God, I just need to just break up [00:31:00] with this thing. It's such a bad because it steals my presence so easily.

And I'm like, now I'm not even here. I'm not even having this experience. I'm like skipping along Instagram reels or what am I doing? Yeah. Yeah. It's so true. Pre the presence. Do you find, sorry. Oh yeah. Just, I was just saying exactly right. And the presence is, having presence is really what's important.

And the ritual helps us do that. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Yes. I'm curious with the series of points, do you find that people come to know certain ones more easily? Like you said you are very, you've got a very intimate relationship with three of them. Is that different for each person?

Like what they make it medicine? I think it, yeah, people are definitely drawn to certain ones and I would say actually the fourth point is starting to get very deep in me as well. They all are. But anyway, in terms of am I embodying the medicine of all 13 fully and completely, no, I, not enlightened but [00:32:00] what else would you do?

Time, Kate? People are definitely drawn to specific points. As, and I would say they are frequently within the first three that I've noticed that people will be drawn to one of those probably because that's the layer they're at. That's like that's what's really coming forward for them.

Yeah. 'cause like I said, they're designed in such a way where they go deeper and deeper into the body as you go deeper into the spirit, you could say more into the mystery. So people are drawn to the first ones usually. Which I don't wanna downplay their medicine, they're just as powerful.

But but also I've noticed that when you get to the third Trinity, right? So so the seventh, eighth, and ninth point, right? Okay. Yeah. The third Trinity. I have noticed that people will tend to like, fall away. It's the weirdest thing to watch. They're like, okay, like there's an avoidance that comes up and those points in particular are known for helping with addictive tendencies.

Ah, and that's why.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah. [00:33:00]

Kate Hemingway: But there is one, right? They're like I think I'm gonna go do my addictive tendency. But actually one point in the third Trinity does seem to resonate with a lot of people when I explore that point by itself. There's one of, there's, it's a favorite for a lot of people, I think, and I'm not entirely sure why, but I do love that point as well.

I think it's because it really reminds us of our gifts and reminds us of why we're here, which ultimately is what helps us break out of those tendencies.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Kate Hemingway: Like soul bomb. So why, if there's triplets, why is there 13? My brain wants to make sense of that. Yes. Why is there not four lots of three? The extra point at the end.

Yeah. So that's the 13th point, which actually is, there's two different versions. There's the original, yeah, there's 2D There are two different ways that people do it nowadays. There's the original 13th point, which is actually under the tongue, so you have to go away in there where the [00:34:00] tongue, I think I've had acupuncture in my mouth before.

I'm not sure exactly where because I was Yeah. Out to it. But yes, it's not for the faint of heart though, I find. Yes. And so getting that done a with acupressure was really just her with a glove on, with her finger in my mouth. Just chilling for a while.

Kylie Patchett: Yeah.

Kate Hemingway: And then the other version that sometimes people will use instead of that point is the third eye point that has become pretty popular as the 13th point with slightly different intentions, although I would say that the one in the mouth called ghost seal.

It's about reclaiming who you were truly born as, like who you came into this world to be. And then some people will look at the third eye point in more of a way of claiming where you are now and what you're moving into. But I, it's hard for me to I feel like they're the same in many ways.

Ideally, yes. Yeah. So I have become pretty [00:35:00] intimate with the one in the mouth Ghost to seal. I've been playing with that a lot more, even though I used to do the third eye point. Very cool. When you look back at the origins I know you said that, this is a recorded version, but it's probably well young.

Yeah, older than that. Do you feel like it was being used for the fixing of the problem version or from I. The opening to your potential? I know that's a hard question for you to answer, but my question, what's your sense of that? Was it Wow. I do think it was talked about, so in the sixth century it was talked about as de possession, right?

So I think there was definitely this element of yeah, somebody's not doing well, right? We want to return them to their nature. But I would say if you go, I don't know, but they're attributed to a mythological bird position. Yeah. So I wonder if prior to the sixth century, prior to them being written [00:36:00] down, what was their use then?

Because they've been referenced as a gift to humanity. Yeah. And so there's this mysteriousness to it that I think they have been used in capacities we just don't know about. Yeah. That's so cool. I love the history and the unfolding of different medicine lines and how it all happens and that there's these, modern day people like you that are taking that and then, harnessing the medicine and I guess evolving it like using it in different ways, applying it to different groups of people, all those things.

It's it feels very juicy to me. I wonder for you, like when you feel into. Like where your work wants to lead you next, or what you are being invited to? What are you on the cusp for? Or do you have a sense of the big vision for yourself as well? Or is it something that you easily see for others, but then less easily for yourself?

Is that a Both? I [00:37:00] definitely see other people's more easily than my own. It's if I could see my business with the clarity that I see other people's I don't even know. I'd be all set. Yeah. I'd love to hire me. I can't. No. But I do see where I'm headed at the same time, I feel definitely a shift in the people that I'm calling in, which is really exciting.

Like I, I have people coming into my world doing like a taste offer that I have, like getting to know my work. And just people that I, were prior to receiving the ghost points, I guess would've thought of as being like, above me, right? Oh, they have more followers, or they make more money, or whatever.

And now it's oh no, they're just visionaries and they're resonating with my presence with what? With my medicine. And so that feels really good. It feels like there's less of a, like internalized hierarchy in my mind. Yeah. So I'm excited for that and to see, and so to really just continue [00:38:00] this one-on-one work, these, this online mentorship that I do and eventually turn that into a space, of like intimate space of leaders and do a lot of retreats and in-person things with that. I also have turned this like self-guided ghost points program. It's become much more self-guided. So I want that to just be like widely available. Yeah, it is like an A to Z healing journey that then gets into, your vision and your business.

So eventually that'll just be recorded and available and ready to go. And I see myself speaking on stages. I see myself like getting the ghost points out there and just everything else that I like wanna say and wanna bring into the world. I love to speak and yeah, I feel like there was something, oh, eventually, way down the road, I, maybe it's not way down the road, I'd love to get this into clinics.

I'd love to certify people for it to become more popular, this to [00:39:00] be available in mental health settings. And already there's a lot of people wanting to change the way we deal with mental health, and I think that this could be a really key component to that. I've been doing a lot of somatic work in combination with this.

I think it just, it fits really well. And so I'd love. I think probably, now that I'm saying this out loud, I think probably one of these like amazing visionaries who comes into my mentorship or into my world somehow is probably gonna help me do that. Like I can feel that in my field. I'm like, that's gonna come up at some point.

So yeah. Yeah. That's really cool because I feel like when there's something that's so transformative, but it's not well known yet, there's such a, I don't know, it can be this is my perspective, it can feel tricky to do all of the spreading of that message yourself. And so it becomes more of this okay, how can I put this into the hands of the people that are already interfacing [00:40:00] with these people and Yeah.

And I used to work in mental health recovery, so I totally agree with you that the way that we approach things, or at least in Australia, is. Incredibly non holistic, full of doing harm, full of re-traumatizing people, full of not seeing people as whole individuals full of disempowerment. That's a whole other conversation, but yes, I would love to see very different approaches as well.

Beautiful. I feel like. There's an invitation here, Kate. Oh. We talked about, but you maybe you might like to share a little experience with us of one of the points, if that still feels good for you. I would love to. It feels really good. And I actually, I wanna do a different point than I originally thought.

What would happen with that? There's another one we have to do it is the point that is inside of the third Trinity. Yep. So this is on the chin so you can find it very easily. It's beneath the lower lip [00:41:00] and in the in that big divot right in the center. So it's pretty obvious. And so we can rest our finger there.

And while we have our finger there, I'm just gonna tell you about this point and bring you on a little journey. So if you're able to feel your feet on the ground and take some nice nourishing breaths, breathing. Down into the earth, exhaling through the bottoms of your feet.

This point is called Ghost Marketplace, and it is all about connecting with your marketplace of goods, all of your gifts, and also being able to show up at the marketplace and talk about what you do. Talk about who you are in this world. [00:42:00] So it speaks to this deep love of ourselves, of us in this particular vessel of our essential nature.

Loving and accepting that so much that we can celebrate it, recognize it, bring it to the surface out of our mouths and into the world. So still feeling your breath and allowing yourself to just connect with this point through your finger. And as I connect energetically to this point in myself, I wanna set the intention that everybody who's listening to this, who wants to receive

that, they also receive the benefits at this point.

It'll help to remind them of their true gifts.[00:43:00]

And so just imagine this swarm light moving through your whole being down your spine, down your nervous system.

And this point, almost as a gathering place a well of energy, of goodness. And as we are here with this point, imagine that energy gathered there begins to swirl and move and, ah, come forward through your whole being.

And feel yourself

outside with nature bring to mind how soil, how grass feels on the soles of your [00:44:00] feet, the way the earth smells. Sound of leaves rustling in the wind

the way the bark of a tree feels against your palm and fingertips.

Maybe even bringing your whole body against the tree, feeling its energy move through you.

May we feel the infinite well of unconditional love flow through us.

May we be reminded of our true gifts[00:45:00]

and may we allow them to flow through us. Through our dance, our voice, our creations,

so that they may join in this ecosystem. Everyone else, with all those we know and love and all those we've yet to meet,

and just feeling your breath,

ah, you can open your eyes and take your finger away from the point and back.

Thank you. I needed that rest on that tree. [00:46:00] Yeah, the tree felt good. I've been working a lot with trees at the moment in the work Yeah. That I'm doing. And the same tree that always shows me. My big business ecosystem came to me then. So thank you. Perfect. For people, I should have actually asked you this kind of fundamentals question before, but for people that haven't experienced acupuncture or don't understand the concept of acupressure, could you just give us a little kind of intro to we had our finger on a point, but what's the kind of, yeah, sorry.

I should have done that before you did that, but anyway, we'll go back to, feels like a, it's all good. I know. I always forget that people don't know what acupuncture acupressure is. So it's good to just talk about that. But really the idea is that there's these meridians that flow through your body, right?

And so they talk a lot about chi, which you can think of as just. Energy, [00:47:00] energy running through your body. And what's really cool about the meridians is that they're all associated with different elements, right? So it's really observing na through observing nature deeply.

What Chinese medicine does is really look at how that nature is reflected in your body and in your body systems. So even in organ, let's take the liver for example, isn't just a physical organ doing the things that we know of. In western medicine, it's actually seen as an outgrowth of a specific energetic, right?

And it's connected to certain meridians in your body that have that energetic, the liver is springtime. It's part of, it's part of the outgrowth of spring in your body and assertion. So that's just one example. But along these meridians, there are all these little points and they act like portals and they each have their own [00:48:00] personality, so they're connected to that.

Element, they're connected to that meridian and that energy, but they also have their own unique wisdom. You can think of your bo, almost all these little points are like little sages all over you, little teachers

Kylie Patchett: all over

Kate Hemingway: you. And so we get to talk to the spirit of that point, talk to that teacher, that aspect of nature that already exists in you, and really call that wisdom forward when we connect to the point, whether that be with a needle or a finger or anything like that.

That's such a beautiful description. Oh, I love that. I love that. I often will say, channels of energy or life force or, whatever language you wanna use. And then I always go back to the old, this is just the way that I was taught. So I think it's, just like it embeds in them.

But and these rivers can be free flowing and that's when natural health and vitality is. The state of being and [00:49:00] they can also be, have buildups and excesses and damning up of energy. And it's funny that you pick the liver point. 'cause I am very woody by nature, so

Kylie Patchett: I can totally see that.

Yeah.

Kate Hemingway: Even though we are going into autumn here yeah. I don't flourish in the cooler months I have to say, but I'm learning ways of doing better. That's such a beautiful, I love the portal understanding because I feel like sometimes if people have not been introduced to the more eastern way of looking at things, it becomes, but how can that point change, for a physical ailment, like the pain in my shoulder or whatever.

And I just feel like it's, again, an example of how. Western medicine pulls everything apart. Whereas Eastern medicine, understands that mind, body, soul is connected and everything that happens outside of us in nature also happens inside of us. And then, being in perimenopause, so the, the seasonal aspect [00:50:00] of being in perimenopause, being autumn and all.

Yeah. So many like circles within circles or spirals, whatever you say. Such a beautiful conversation. Thank you for sharing the journey of that point with us. I'm wondering if someone's listening and they want to lean into this work or some of the prerecorded like taster sort of things.

Where can people find you and what would you suggest is a good kind of introduction, especially if someone. Hasn't met traditional Chinese medicine before or this kind of form of, energetic energy medicine. Yeah. Because also what I'm doing is pretty unique, I should say, that there's not a lot of people doing acupressure, energy healing journeys, right?

Yeah. There might be guided acupressure, but I'm really connecting energetically and so it is out there. But yes I'm on Instagram, I'm Kate Hemingway heel on Instagram, and a lot of times I'll have different little smaller [00:51:00] ways of working with me or tasting what I have to offer.

So that is always changing. I might be offering like a little one-on-one or something like that. I've done things where. I'll meet with somebody and we'll chat and I'll create a guided journey for them where they're at, right? With the guided acupressure specifically for them. So great thing to do is to just DM me and see what's there.

And then, yeah, a lot of what I just absolutely love is working in mentorship with people and really diving in. And I do have a little, I do have a mini course. I'm probably gonna update it, so I don't know if it's gonna be the same. Okay. But it's called Energetic Mastery and it talks about really like how to be in the energetic state that you wanna be in and how that's connected to healing work and how we can use in a practical way, we can use acupressure, we can use somatic work too alongside that to to really meet our inner child's needs all [00:52:00] day, every day in a really basic way, which kind of unlocks a lot of inspiration and power.

So that's a really good. It's just like $27. And that's just a really good way to dive in and see, okay, where am I at? Where's my inner child at? And like, how can I use acupressure to really get to the next level? I love that. I love that as an entry point, especially in perimenopause. My inner child is often in my rebellious teenager.

I don't wanna fucking do that anymore. I'm interested too, my right, rounding it all together where we began with like Reiki being something that kind of drew you and then into this work and now this evolution of this work. How do you, I wonder do you look back at all of those little invitations and just be like, this medicine has been talking to me the whole time.

Come on. Oh my gosh. Yeah, it definitely feels like that. It's like little it was like little breadcrumbs at first. Yes. Looking back and realizing that my, my obsession [00:53:00] with magic or and all things magic and adventure is really what led me down this path. And I didn't know why I wanted adventure.

I didn't really know what I was seeking, but I needed to take those steps and do those things in order to get to where I'm at now. And yeah, it definitely feels like fate learning acupuncture and learning the ghost points. My aunt is also an acupuncturist. So I think there was just something in the lineage there, even just the having the patient when you were learning that needed the ghost.

Yes. Like that door opening. And I just feel like. I don't know. The message that these conversations always give to me is we cannot conceive of where we're meant to go. Like we just cannot. Our little tiny brains that are only processing a certain amount of information, and this is the gift of just trusting the breadcrumbs when they come, because we can't see, and I [00:54:00] love the, Steve Jobs you can never see the dots until you're looking in, in hindsight you can see the dots, but when you're there, it's like, why am I doing this?

I don't know, but I just know that I need to, and that's okay. That is a valid reason to do something. And also the feeling that I'm not in the right place, or I'm not wanting to do that is also a very valid reason, not to, no matter what we've been conditioned. Yeah. We should trust our hyper fixations, right?

Yes. Amen. We should just allow it, I, 'cause I for a while too, I was like, why am I so obsessed with business? Like I'm supposed to be a healer? And I was really like on that for a while. Yes. And then I finally just let it go and realized. I'm also obsessed with business. Yes. And it's probably because I'm meant to be guiding visionaries and just surrendered to that.

Yeah. That's such a good lesson. Such a good lesson. Yeah. I wonder too, with the, if you were to actually, I'll give you an option, either wrap the wisdom of one of the points, maybe the one that you just led us through, or [00:55:00] the whole 13, if you could send a message to all of the paradigm shifters and revolutionaries listening, what would you, what would the ghost points want you to tell people?

The truth of it. Wow. Good question. What would the ghost points want me to tell people? Okay. What's coming through is that. You are already that person. You are already her, and you can trust that and no matter how many times it feels like you're straying or drifting off the path, really all of that is not only forgivable, but is also just part of the medicine that you are here to offer and that you can right here, right now in this exact moment, love yourself fully and completely and know that you are already that person.

You are already her.[00:56:00]

See, I'm back leaning against the tree. Good.

Kylie Patchett: That's

Kate Hemingway: the tree.

Kylie Patchett: This is,

Kate Hemingway: I have a, there's a repeated kind of theme or sense that keeps coming to me lately, and the message very much is just lean back. Just lean back, allow, and, yeah. So a lot of what you've said today is just like how much more so I'm apprenticing in a certain type of energy medicine?

Something that actually. Folds in a lot of different modalities, but in my first meeting of one of the energies we are playing with, that was literally the energy's and now you can just lean back. And as that like woody person, I'm always, wanting to initiate, wanting to strive, wanting to push, wanting to whatever.

And it's actually not my design anyway. That's a whole other kettle of fish. Oh, it's not your design now. See, now I wanna talk more now. Yeah, I know. I am a generator, but yeah, I just, I [00:57:00] feel, oh, okay. That I have been, my conditioning is to use that vital life force that generators have access to, to bleed myself dry, doing things that I see require working hard or whatever.

And I'm just like, yeah. So the energy was literally like. I was like, okay, yeah. What do I do now? And they're like, you don't do anything child rest. This could be very uncomfortable for me, but I'm willing to give it a go. I love that. So thank you for just yeah. Layering your medicine over the top of that and giving me another sense of the Yeah.

Leaning back against the tree. Thank you so much for sharing you and your work in the world. I'm just, yeah, I just, like I said, like I, I'm already such a big like a big fan of acupuncture. I was introduced to acupuncture. It's such a funny story 'cause it demonstrates how left brain, logical and fixed in my thoughts I [00:58:00] had been, but I had a really bad car accident just after I met my husband, which is like 1996, a long time ago.

And he had. Something, I don't actually even really understand what the diagnosis was, but something where he would wake up and not be able to walk in the mornings as a kid and he'd go to acupuncture, receive a treatment, and then he'd be able to walk again. And so he has always been a big yeah, it was something to do with growing too fast.

And I don't know if it's, but Oh wow. Bad chronic pain. Like to the point where someone in western medicine said he needed hip replacements at 10 oh my God. Anyway, his parent parents went down the, different ways of looking at things and he ended up having lots of acupuncture. Huge fan.

I had this car accident and I had I got hit by, I was stopped, but someone hit me doing a hundred on the side. So I had a lot of neck and shoulder trauma, like huge amount. And I kept on going to the physio and the the very, western medicine style of therapy. And I just, yeah, the was just out of control.[00:59:00]

Pain and rigidity from the impact. And anyway, finally Shane was like, for god sake, I'm sick of hearing this. I want you to go to this acupuncturist. And we were just blessed that where we lived in Brisbane, there's a gentleman called Jim Charmers who was a Scottish man who had gone to China and trained in acupuncture.

And he was like, amazing. Amazing. Long retired now, but just an amazing person to introduce to a modality that just looked at things completely different to my little, medical science trained brain. At that stage it was very like, if I can't touch it, taste it, see it, feel it, then, if it's not in my five senses, it doesn't exist.

It's oh, load of shit. But yeah, looking back, it just it's so beautiful to yeah. Meet someone who's taken the medicine of acupuncture and then also brought, another sort of. Yeah. Evolution to it, so thank you for sharing it with us very much. Yeah. Thank you so much for yeah.

Like exploring it with me. 'cause it really like Chinese medicine, [01:00:00] acupuncture, it's a whole system of medicine. Yes. So it's an ocean. And I think I was really guided to that ocean Yes. To keep exploring the deaths as the little beginner that I will always be. Yeah. Yes. But to also take this little piece of it and really apply it to my own medicine, to my, the Irish ancestors that come through me with storytelling, with guiding, with all of that.

And just take this piece of it and really bring it as a gift to whoever is meant to receive it stealing. I'm Murphy by birth, so Hello Irish. Very Irish. Very Irish. Thank you so much Kate. You didn't mention what your website is before, so could you just say that we'll put it in the show notes anyway, but just so if people are, in a car or something, just speak it out loud one more time.

Yeah, it is the kate hemingway heal.com. Beautiful. Ah, thank you so much. Have a beautiful evening. You are just about to go to bed, so enjoy Bel. Oh yes. I'm going [01:01:00] to lunch and then acupuncture. So to Lou. Oh wonderful acupuncture appointment. Thank you very much. Bye. Alright, bye.

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